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Tell us what
your childhood was like.
We were ten: five brothers and five sisters.
There were eleven of us, but I lost my brother. I grew up very poor in
what I call a nasty barn. But actually a barn is better than my old house.
I just learned to survive by myself because my parents couldnt take
care of us. I lost my father when I was ten, so basically I had to run
around trying to work and do all kinds of crazy things. We had to learn
how to make money. At the age of five or six, I used to go out and sing
songs on the buses for food. Id sing songs with a little beat-up
guitar pretending that I was a singer, but basically begging for money.
I didnt have any shoes and Id end up getting home at midnight,
sometimes four or five times a week. Those days were pretty sad, but I
learned so much from them, like not to take things for granted. Now what
I have, I really appreciate.
As if your living conditions werent enough to contend with, you
lost your brother and father during the same year. How did that happen
and how did it affect you?
Yes, first my father died and then my brother
drowned. But he didnt really drown. We believe that
someone killed him. Once before he died, we found him beaten up on the
ground when we got home. We asked him what happened, but he never told
us. A few months later it happened again, so we knew that something was
going on. The third time we found him in the water, in a lake close to
our home. I knew there was something wrong because my brother was a very
good swimmer. We never knew the real answer, but we knew it was just time
for us to leave that little place for the city.
You almost
became a boxer as a young man.
I started boxing because I wanted a rematch
with this kid that kept beating me up in school for three months. Finally,
my brother took me to the gym. I started learning and got pretty good
at it, but I never thought I would become a professional boxer. It was
one of those things that just clicked, and I got bigger and bigger and
stronger. Then my brother said, Hey why dont you just turn
pro, maybe itll work maybe not. One of the reasons I turned
professional was so I could take care of my mom. She worked so hard in
her life and Ive always been a family man, so I wanted to take care
of my mom and my brothers and sisters.
You had a
very promising boxing career, with a record of 12-1. Tell us how your
boxing dreams were thrown off.
I got appendicitis. My appendix burst. I went
to the hospital and almost died. The operation saved me, but after I got
back home the incision got infected and they had to open it again. I decided
to quit because of all the punches that you receive in the area where
I had been operated. I guess God took it away from me because he had something
better for me. But I didnt realize it at the time.
How did you
go from that into golf?
When I was a boxer I used to jog every night
with my brother Mario at the country club. We used to jog twenty-seven
holes every single day and at the time I was just hitting balls here and
there a little bit. After I decided to quit boxing, I decided to play
golf with my friends and work at the same time. I was a bartender at the
country club. I started playing golf and was just trying to beat my brother.
But then I moved to the driving range and started hitting balls and all
of a sudden got better and better. I used to just play on Mondays because
that was the only day we had to play. I dont know what happened.
To this day I dont know what the transition was. I just dont
know, I got very good at it. I was to play my first golf tournament in
Obregon, Mexico and a friend of mine from San Diego said that if I won
the tournament he was going to get me a brand new set of clubs. He just
did it because, I dont know, maybe he thought, this guy cant
win, but I went down and won. Then I came back and the guy gave me a brand
new set of clubs. I will never forget it was Wilson clubs. From then I
just took off.
So how did
you brother feel once you could beat him?
Well, obviously he didnt like it. Even
til this day my brother Leo tells me, Its amazing what
you have done in those years. I used to beat you all the time and now
youre one of the best players in the world! So its kind
of shocking, but I guess when you practice and you dedicate your time
and have the determination that I had for boxing, it really helped my
game.

You said that you worked as a bartender. What other jobs did you take
to make ends meet?
I used to pick cotton and tomatoes. I used to make money to go to
school. I used to pick 100 kilos of cotton in the morning. My brother
Leo and I would come back home about noon, cook ourselves a meal, then
go to school. Then I would bartend part-time and polish shoes and all
kinds of stuff just to survive and make a little money so I could go to
school.
How did you adjust
from being a fighter to the finesse and patience required to play golf?
My whole life I have one thing that I believe and that is to not give
up. Golf to me is about determination and discipline. Thats something
I had as a boxer so I used it in golf. To become one of the best you have
to have discipline. I dont drink or smoke. I take care of myself
and I always believe that I can, just like when I was boxing. The only
difference is that in boxing there is only one guy in front of you. You
dont have to worry about 155 guys. So I just worry about the golf
course. If you start to think about having to beat all those guys, youre
not going to do it. You just have to play your own game.
Who are your role
models on tour?
I am very good friends with Peter Jacobson. Ive always liked
Crenshaw and Watson, but my favorite is Greg Norman.
Although they have
been few, there have been some pretty big Latino golfers like Lee Trevino,
Chi Chi Rodriguez, and Nancy Lopez. Nevertheless that hasnt really
seemed to create a new generation of Latino golfers. Do you see an increase
in the participation of Latino golfers happening any time soon?
Definitely. I believe that there will be so many Latinos coming up.
They want to be better than me, better than Carlos Franco, better than
Nancy Lopez. But there is a little difference with those people you mentioned.
They are Latinos, but they are Americans. I think people want to see more
people from Latin American countries.
You think that
is going to happen?
Oh, it is going to happen, because I see it happening already. Carlos
is from Paraguay and I am from Mexico. Were the only two Latinos
from the other side of the border
I think in the next four, five
years there is going to be a lot of Latinosboth male and female.
How often do you
go back to Mexico and what is that like for you?
It is just a little different, although I havent really changed.
Im still myself. I go back maybe twice a year to see my brothers
and sisters, because I dont have a lot of time
not because
I think Im too good already, but I am just too busy doing other
things here.
Would you ever return to Mexico to help promote junior golf once you retire?
Probably yes. Its always been one of my dreams to help kids
play and encourage them to get to the top. Sometimes they just dont
believe in themselves and I think that is one of the keys.
Some people criticize Tiger for not being a good ambassador for black
people in the game? Do you think you have a responsibility beyond your
golf playing as one of the very few Latino golfers?
Well, I dont know how [Tiger] treats his people. If you see
Tiger on the street you will know what he is. If you see me on the street
youll know what I am. I cannot say Im Chinese, because Im
not Chinese. If I tell people that Im Portuguese when Im Mexican,
well I have a problem with myself. And if Tiger doesnt believe hes
black, well then hes probably going to have a problem with himself.
But that is all up to him. Whatever he believes he is, hes going
to believe he is. People are not going to change him. I think Tiger is
a great ambassador for his own people. But if he doesnt want to
take it that way, then I dont have a problem
Im Mexican
and I want to do things for my people. Even when I see Mexican or Latino
guys speaking Spanish I speak to them and I help them and encourage them
Im
Mexican. Im not Portuguese. Im not Chinese. I am Mexican and
thats what I will always be. That is the bottom line. If a Chinese
doesnt want to admit hes Chinese well hes going to have
a problem. The only thing I can say is that Im a Latino, and Im
a Latino from over there. And I am proud to be who I am and where I came
from.
Do you see many
Latinos supporting you on the road?
Oh a lot. Oh my gosh, I hear people speaking Spanish and even American,
white people cheering for me, my story, my life and how I struggled. Its
unbelievable.
Of all the Majors which would be your dream to win and why?
Id like to win the British Open. The reason is because I have
always dreamt to play the British Open, to play golf where it was created,
in Scotland.
You went toe to toe with Tiger Woods down the stretch of last years
Buick Open. Do you ever think back to that and wish things had worked
out differently?
You know, I really thought I was going to win the tournament, and
a lot of people were cheering for me. They were pulling for Tiger on the
front nine and then switched and started cheering for me on the back nice
because I caught him and was right there. But when you go toe to toe with
Tiger I dont care what day or what the circumstances are, youre
going to have a hard time. Because, obviously, he is the best player in
the world at this moment, and to beat Tiger in the last group when he
is one stroke ahead is very difficult. I like playing with Tiger because
he is a nice guy, minds his own business and is very focused. Im
the same way. If I could play with Tiger every single day, Id love
it! Its just all the people that move around every time he finishes
and leaves you there is what I dont like. At least next time if
I play him Ill be more focused and not pay attention to all the
people around him and play the golf course. He is beatable. I also learned
so much from him because he is so focused. I was granted one of the greatest
experiences to go toe to toe with him. It was great.
Last year your
official winnings on the tour were close to $800,000. How did it make
you feel to think back to your humble beginnings and realize you made
almost a million dollars hitting a little white ball around?
It is kind of like a dream come true. Ive always believed that
I was going to make a lot of money. Ive always had that mentality.
That is why I am where I am today. I have a hard time thinking about what
I used to do and what I used to have at the time. And now that I have
everything that I never had before, sometimes when I am on the golf course,
for a few seconds, I cannot believe Im there. I feel like Im
dreaming and I dont want to wake up. It is interesting.
I really believe that
if youre good enough to do something you can do it, but you need
a little push. I had my help. When I was in Mexicali an American couple
took me from Mexico to San Jose, California to live in their home
If
I had not met them I may still be in Mexicali polishing shoes.
What words of advice
would you have for our young Latino men?
My advice is to believe in yourself. Believe that you can do whatever
you want to do if you give 100 percent effort.
And, do not give up your dreams. That is the advice I can give to all
people. Dont give up your dreams.
To find out more
about Esteban Toledo visit his web site at estebantoledo.com.
Esteban is also Ambassador for the Get A Grip Foundation, which strives
to make golf more accessible to underprivileged kids. Visit their web
site at getagripfoundation.com.)
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